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Ep. 61 – Denver Nowicz – Values-Based ROI + Wealth Creation

Mich Bondesio chats to Denver Nowicz about wealth creation, passion, productivity and making values-based financial decisions.

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Creating Cadence Podcast Transcript – Episode 61

Published 8th May 2024

Mich Bondesio:

[00:00:00] Hi, and welcome to Creating Cadence, a podcast for life and work in motion. I’m your host, Mich Bondesio, a writer, speaker, coach, and solo entrepreneur. I’m also the author of The Cadence Effect.

I help high achievers stuck on the toxic treadmill of overwork to transform your approach to life, work, relationships, and business. So we can all activate more of our potential. Improve our wellbeing and performance. And find joy in every part of our life. At a cadence that’s more suitable to us. Despite this fast paced world we live in.

This is episode 61, the first of season 10, published in early May, 2024. The podcast will be celebrating its four year anniversary in June. And even though I’m not publishing an episode every week and I only have three short seasons in a year, it does feel great to have reached this milestone of a whole 10 seasons.

So in today’s episode, I chat with Denver Nowicz, a financial planner and fiduciary, and a LinkedIn Top Voice on finance and economy.

If you’re not sure what the word fiduciary means. This is someone who manages money or property on behalf of someone else, to help them increase their wealth.

Denver is an entrepreneur who’s been running his own business in the industry for many years and he is on a personal mission to fix financial planning. The reason I wanted to get Denver on the show is that his view of how we can approach wealth creation is rooted in personal values and purpose driven principles.

Many people have fears around money and wealth creation, but I think the invisible approach is refreshing and relatable and it ties in very well with the principles of creating cadence, too.

But before we get there a few updates from me.

My book, The Cadence Effect, which this podcast is based around, had its first anniversary on the 5th of May, 2024. It’s surprising how quickly a year has come and gone since the book’s launch. And it’s been a busy one for sure.

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I’ll share the links and the codes to both of those offers in the show notes.

The second bit of news is that we’re almost halfway through the very first Cadence Coaching Programme. I’m working with a small group for this first cohort and feedback so far has been super encouraging. The recordings of the masterclasses will be made available to purchase as standalone lessons after the programme ends. And I’m planning a second cohort for the programme later in the year.

And in the next episode, I’ll share more news about something new that I’m working on, which I’m getting quite excited about. But enough about me and my work let’s get onto today’s interview.

Denver Nowicz is a financial planner and fiduciary who has been in the industry for 25 years. He is also a LinkedIn Top Voice on Finance and Economy.

Denver’s personal mission is to fix financial planning. For a decade. He took care of his mom, dad and grandma, before they passed. Anyone who’s taken care of elderly parents knows that this can be one of the most challenging, yet had also rewarding things you can do.

Denver thinks he is certainly a wiser person for having this experience. He was thankful to spend that much time with his parents as an adult. As Denver says “When we’re young, we are often too busy living our own lives to appreciate them!”

What Denver learned by going through this was that many of the ways people are taught to plan for their financial future – following conventional wisdom – doesn’t always serve people in the best way possible. So Denver has merged his 25 years of advising with his goal to help people avoid the same financial mistakes that hit his family.

He founded the Modern Family Dynasty newsletter and Becoming Financially Unbreakable, which is a 30-day course that helps people feel more financially secure by providing them with the knowledge, tools, and strategies to manage their finances confidently.

Denver has such a grounded and connected approach to finances and managing our money, rooted in the concept of aligning your goals with your values?

Our conversation actually spurred me to revisit one of my existing income streams after realizing that it is not in alignment with my values. And as a result of this review, I will be making some changes in coming months.

And even though Denver is based in the United States where wealth management approaches may differ slightly from wherever you are. (And I have podcast listeners in 21 countries. Thank you so much.) You will still benefit from the advice the Denver offers.

But we don’t just talk about finance. We also cover productivity tools and gadgets, perceptions of success and failure, and the impact of mindset on both our goals and our ability to achieve those goals. And how we can’t rely on what Denver calls “motivational fairy dust” to get us through the ups and downs of entrepreneurship. And don’t forget to stick around after the interview, as I pull out and further contemplate three topics that came up in our conversation. So if you’re ready, let’s dive in.

So welcome to the show, Denver. It’s lovely to have you here.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:05:20] It’s great to be here.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:05:21] So, some context for my audience. I first came across your work through Trudi Roth’s Well & Wealthy Community. We were both members of that community, and you did a really interesting talk on investing and finances. And that community has subsequently become merged into something larger known as the Leading Expert Alliance.

And I’ve been following your newsletter for a little while and you have, you always share super tips on wealth management and investing, ones that are applicable, not just for those people who live in the States, because I’m obviously in the UK as well. And I found a lot of it very helpful. And what I also love about your newsletter is that you always include productivity tips which some people may not think can impact on things like wealth and investing, but I love that you include that as well. So thank you.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:06:06] Absolutely. I, I think you can’t have one without the other.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:06:09] Indeed. Now, I know you spent many years working in the financial sector, but where are you on your current career path? What is your current life and work context?

Denver Nowicz:

[00:06:19] Yes, so I’ve been in the financial services industry for 25 years. I’ve been kind of on my own as an entrepreneur, kind of owning my own business the whole time. And so I’m always kind of looking to improve that business and add additional businesses and build different types of income streams.

And I think that’s one of the reasons why I also love Leading Expert Alliance is because a lot of what Trudi and Jerod and Brian do is very much focused on empowerment around entrepreneurship. And I think that’s in myself with my career, I also have two young kids, nine and 13, and working on teaching them the skills of entrepreneurship.

But then also kind of that’s overlapping into a lot of the things that you teach with The Cadence Effect where, you know, it’s this kind of combining all of these things together in life. So that’s kind of that journey I’m on right now is kind of how do we combine all these skills of building wealth, with all these other things that are probably more important, you know, and and how we have This meaningful life that we want to have. And, so that’s why it’s great to chat with you. And I love how you’ve laid it out in your process as well.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:07:23] Thank you very much. That’s really kind of you to say. I love that you are teaching your children young about the importance of how to manage your money. That’s really important in the context of the world that we find ourselves in now. And I agree, some people think that all of these things are separate, but they’re not. They’re all really interconnected.

So, with your current context, how does that impact on your wellbeing and productivity for yourself in terms of the work that you do? What are the challenges that you experience in your particular situation around wellbeing and productivity?

Denver Nowicz:

[00:07:53] Well, I think and this has been something that has been pretty insightful for me to learn about myself, in just this last I would even say six months, because it’s easy to be an entrepreneur and you get your head down and then you’re working 60, 70, 80 hours a week or more. And that can just literally go on for years.

And so, what I started learning more about is, you know, how wealth should really be aligned with what our values are. Meaning what do I value.

When I started going through that exercise, and looking at what I value, then you go… okay well, you know, I have kids, I have a family I provide for, so I obviously value security. So that’s important.

But then I also as an entrepreneur, I also value freedom. And, you know you start looking at the time you’re like, wait a second, you know I have these businesses and I’m working 60, 70 hours a week. And not really getting to the next level, you know, kind of keep hitting these upper walls and, and there’s certainly procrastination that would come in and just fatigue and all these things.

And when you look at it, you go, wait a second, all these things I’m doing aren’t aligned with my value. I want to have more freedom. Is this actually letting me have more freedom? And once I started to realize that there are so many areas of wealth that where people don’t achieve the success that they want, it’s very often because what they’re trying to pursue is not aligned with their values.

And, you know, maybe their values are having more free time, or maybe it’s more time with family, or being happy, whatever those are. And then once I learned that, like, okay, when you start to realign those things, your motivation level goes up, life gets easier, everything starts to flow better.

So it really was what I’m kind of trying to do now in wealth education is taking people back a step and then say, hey, as we’re planning for wealth, let’s align with what your values are. And make sure those two paths align, and I think that’s when you start to get better results.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:09:38] I agree. And I love how you’ve put that. you know, one of your newsletters, you wrote about that and you spoke about how true financial empowerment is achievable when you align your wealth goals with your life values. And when we, when things aren’t in alignment in any part of our life, that creates friction, which does lead to things like procrastination.

It does lead to things like increased stress. It can even contribute to burnout. So it really has a knock on effect if the way that we’re operating or the way we’re working isn’t in alignment with those values. So I really appreciate you pointing that out. It’s very important. Thank you.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:10:12] Well I think it’s so much more important than we all have given it credit for in the past. And when you look at, you know, when you see these kind of super successful people, or you know, I know this happens with kids in school.

you see some kids that at a younger age and they’re just, oh, they seem super motivated. They’re just, studying hard and they’re doing all the things. And so many other people are just sitting nearby going “gosh, I guess the motivation fairy didn’t sprinkle the motivation dust on me, and I’m just not one of those people”. And, then I think what really happened is they kind of got lucky in some ways that what they really liked, their values and what they valued, aligned with the work that they needed to do

And the great thing about that is once we identify the values, then we can like really realign ourselves.

And then motivation doesn’t become some magical thing that happens. And we don’t have to use willpower to overcome, and get ourselves to take action. It’s like, that’s where that effortless flow state comes from.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:11:07] That’s so true. And actually later in the season of the podcast, I am interviewing somebody about that concept of flow. So it’s interesting that you’ve mentioned that as well.

Now, talking about doing things that help us to be in flow and to maintain momentum. Let’s talk a bit about your daily and weekly habits and actions and routines that you might take to support your health and wellness and productivity. So that you can be the best you can be for your family, and for your clients, and so forth.

What do you do to support yourself and overcome your challenges?

Denver Nowicz:

[00:11:37] Yeah, I think it’s something that, I think you allude to in your book where , it’s not always this about as an entrepreneur, you can’t just do this thing where you’re going to work non-stop and, you know, burnout happens and everything else.

So, I think it’s more looking at it… I look at it more as a series of sprints and there absolutely are times when you’re building businesses, and starting things, and getting things to a certain level that you are going to be working more, and that’s the sprints. And then you take periods of rest. And so for me, it’s, it’s been… yeah, I recognize that there are times when, okay, these are some actions I might need to take and I’m going to have to sprint and it’s going to take me a little while, but then I’m going to stop and rest and then start putting limits on, you know, on how much time I’m going to spend doing those things.

So I have the other area where I’m going to be relaxing and just spending time in the moment and enjoying games with my kids. And that, for an entrepreneur who tends to, you know, chase shiny objects like myself, it, you know, it can be a challenge. But that’s that practice of just letting things go and, and siloing things off is something I’m still working on, for sure.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:12:44] And do you have any daily rituals or things that you do regularly that help set you up to start your day or help you end off your day?

Denver Nowicz:

[00:12:52] So I think exercise helps me a lot for sure. I have, in my office, I have a whole body vibration plate, which is this crazy plate you stand on and it vibrates and it’s supposed to fire off a lot more of your muscles.

So I’ll do that, it’s a nine minute little routine. So I’ll do that, try and do that at the end of the day when I’m kind of leaving, you know, the work area. And then, I also do have a walking workstation, so most, you know, at least a couple hours a day if I’m at my computer, I’m walking, you know, on the workstation.

I find that movement. helps. And then I usually like to count my wins, you know, at the end of every day. Sometimes I miss days, but I mean, certainly end of the week, I will tally up what are my wins for the week. And then, kind of let everything go from there.

I get intermittent on my meditation habit. Sometimes I’m very diligent, and then other times, I’ll slack off for a while. Um, but I do breathing exercises. So I kind of have like this little toolkit. Breathing exercises, another one, there’s a little device. I bought on Amazon where it’s like a respiration kind of exerciser, and you blow into it for a while, you know, it kind of mimics just deep breathing, but it kind of exercises your lungs, and so I’ll mix that in there.

And then health and nutrition, you know, I noticed if my brain, you know, doesn’t get what it needs, it just doesn’t work as well. So I kind of do all these little things and rotate them in, because sometimes you get bored of one and then you move to another one. So I try and have a bunch of tools available to do a mix of them.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:14:18] Thank you so much for sharing all of those. I think they’re really helpful. I mean, having a walking desk is interesting, and the vibrating plate I’ve never heard of before. That sounds super interesting. And I think, that this is what I write about in my book as well, is around building a toolkit with a variety of tools.

Cause as you say, the same ones aren’t going to work every time. Sometimes the meditation works, but sometimes it’s the run that you need. And sometimes it could be chocolate. You know, we never know what that self care practice is that we’re going to need, but having them in our toolkits gives us more options and choice in a moment.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:14:49] It does. I will absolutely add chocolate in. That is, uh, I guess I definitely do that.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:14:53] Okay,

Denver Nowicz:

[00:14:54] Afternoons, like, after, you know, mid afternoon, I’m always eating dark chocolate.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:14:59] Yeah, that’s the traditional energy dip moment. All right, well, let’s talk a little bit more about cadence in terms of a broader context. You’ve mentioned flow in the conversation already, but what does the concept of cadence mean for you in terms of how you work or how you approach life?

Denver Nowicz:

[00:15:18] Well, I think that I guess in creating some of these businesses, and I’m in the process of creating another business right now in addition to the other financial services ones I have right now. Part of that is letting go of trying to have everything perfect. You now that’s probably number one. And then, number two is not being afraid to fail at it.

And I mean, I don’t mean like when you lose, it’s like, that’s just part of the game. It’s just part of building businesses. And I don’t mean like big, catastrophic losses, but just, you’re going to choose to do things and they just don’t always go your way.

And there’s certain part of me that struggles with losing. I don’t like to lose. And so part of that, getting into that, into that cadence is knowing that, all right, you know, success really is just all the things you did that didn’t work until something did. and just keep doing those things and putting them together.

And, you know, okay, like, here’s my method, here’s my systems and then let it be. And like, I’ve done my best effort on it. I put it together. Now I’m going to let it be and see what happens. And then, I think, that has helped me kind of compartmentalize things more and simplify. And that’s really where you can get to the point of, okay, I know that this hour, or this two hour period, I’m doing this, now this period I’m doing this and this period I’m doing that and then just letting things go and being a little more patient in that process. And, that is what’s helped me get into more of a cadence.

Of course, I still work at it and it’s not perfect and I still need a lot of work in it, but that’s kind of my general goal is just to kind of let things be. You know, once I’ve done my best, I put them there, let’s do it, let it be, and then keep going forward.

I like how you’ve put that. You mentioned earlier about working in sprints as well, and then having a kind of a slower period in between. And that’s also a part of, you know, what finding the cadence that works for you in terms of your workflow, whether it’s daily or project based. And I like what you said also about the way that you work and the way you see cadence in terms of helping you to compartmentalize and simplify your approach to your projects.

Yeah, and I think that it is difficult when you start to combine this, the money and creating wealth, and especially if you’re a solo entrepreneur or you’re running a business, or, you know, even a provider whether you might have a job, that’s what always to me is a challenge in the real world.

Like we still have money to deal with. We still have to have it. We still have to get it. So we still have to get these real results. And that’s where I think learning a lot of the skills from like Leading Expert Alliance and what that group teaches can help. Because, you know, you think you sometimes you think it’s not as easy. Wish we could all just go live a simple life and have everything there and all that we need. But when you have to operate with so much complexity, which the world is complex I mean, I think that it is a challenge.

I mean, how do you think about that in that context?

Mich Bondesio:

[00:18:13] It is a challenge and I think that part of Cadence for me is flexibility, being resilient enough to adapt to these constant changes and challenges that we face.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:18:24] Yeah, that makes sense to me. I think that I’ve heard that framed in the way of, and maybe this doesn’t work for me either, it’s like I’ve never been really great at having specific goals.

I’ve been better at having loosely framed goals. So there’s like wiggle room of going in that direction. Is that kind of what you mean?

Mich Bondesio:

[00:18:40] Yes, and I think that that’s interesting the way that you’ve put that. And, for me, when I try and ring fence things too tightly, based on timelines and so forth, it doesn’t work for me and it doesn’t work for my brain. So how I treat my projects and my businesses and everything is as an experiment. And you alluded to that earlier about you don’t like the idea of failure.

And for me, I don’t like the idea of failure either, which is why I treat my projects as experiments. And so I’m going to learn from them and I’m going to win from doing them, even if they don’t end up being successful in their own right, because all the knowledge I gained from that is going to help me move forward in the other parts of my life and the other parts of my business in a better way.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:19:22] Hmm, that’s an excellent framework, framing them as experiments and maybe it helps to remove of the pressure. And I do kind of try and do that at the end of things like that. I guess maybe be easier on myself, not be hard on myself, for things that didn’t work out. I still often wonder why is that such a challenge, because I know in business and sports and other Failure is just something that has happened all the time, and, but it seems like in certain contexts it bothers me more than others. Have you had similar experiences?

Mich Bondesio:

[00:19:55] Yes. And, you know, maybe that can also be tied to the idea of fixed and growth mindset because in some areas of our life we can be very growth minded and in other areas we may feel, we may feel that sense of failure more strongly because we may feel that we are less accomplished in that area or we have more to learn. And so we feel more self conscious.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:20:17] For sure.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:20:17] So, yeah, I mean, there’s lots of different ways that you could look at this. And it’s interesting, the points that you’ve raised. You’re going to make me go away and think about this more as well.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:20:25] Well, yeah, that’s where I guess when I start talking with people about financial planning, and that’s one of the first things now I start doing is, you know, because people are building up this wealth or whether they’ve saved it up, or whatever.

And then it’s starting to think about what their values are and what they want to do with it, and is it in alignment? And I think very often it’s just, that it is not in alignment. And I think that’s still where most resistance comes from. And when you, it is magical what happens when you can really align that. I do think life, you know, can get a lot easier in many ways.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:20:58] Well, let’s talk a little bit about that alignment and kind of cadence in terms of the work that you do and how that helps your customers and your clients to create more cadence or build momentum in their life from the perspective of wealth management and investing and so forth.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:21:13] Sure, I think my industry has a bit of a bias where when most people think, at least here in the US, they go talk to a financial advisor that person is typically going to try and kind of sell them on investing in the stock market. And that kind of has become what financial advice is in a lot of areas. And so part of what I’m trying to do is educate people on nothing against the stock market, but there are a lot of other ways to make wealth and build wealth.

And I think that overall, most wealth is made in other places. And then there’s even stats where you can look at entrepreneurship and versus, you know, kind of an employee saver model where you just go to a job and save. The entrepreneur will typically make their millions 20 years faster than those, you know, that are in the employee saver market.

Now, sometimes you have to be an employee and you have to have a job and you have to have income, but when you’re able to do these things on the side. And that’s where, when we start planning, where I’m talking with people about what are their passions, what do they really like to do? What are they good at?

And so a lot of times if they’re like, well, I really enjoy starting businesses or I really enjoy doing real estate. And they, even if they have a job or they’re have a certain some other career going, then it’s like, all right. Well, how can we make it so you can do more of those things that you’re really good at?

And so a lot of wealth creation is not necessarily “Hey, let’s you need to save more money and you need to invest more in the stock market”. It’s like What are your passions? What are you really good at?” Because very often I think your highest ROI can come from being able to direct resources and things into the areas that you’re really passionate about and really good at. So that’s kind of usually where we start.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:22:49] That’s so interesting. And first of all, that statistic that you shared was really quite alarming. But also really interesting how you’ve again, linked that back to things being aligned. When people become more aware of the things that fill them up, fill up their spiritual and creative cup. For example, you said, you know, the things that people find joy in doing.

And if they can align their wealth creation activities with those types of things, they’re more likely to do better in those areas.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:23:15] Yes, I think that’s the highest ROI where you often will see, things that you’re passionate about. I think I always compare it to, you know, if you’re hungry and someone puts a plate of your favorite food in front of you, you don’t have to be motivated to eat it. You just eat it. And I think that happens when you, you know, kind of align with, with passions.

I mean, I’ve talked to people recently and they’re very passionate about certain areas of real estate. You know, they have other careers, but they’re like I could do real estate all day long. I love it They love looking for the buildings. They love working on the places. They you know, it’s just something they’re really passionate about. And that tends to be the areas you’re going to get the highest ROI from. So unfortunately then most financial advice doesn’t address that, you know, it tends to be like “Yeah, just invest in the stock market. That’s the only way to build your retirement.” And I think that’s where there are so many opportunities.

I know, I love how Leading Expert Alliance and, you know, Brian and his newsletters talks about, you know, the over 50 demographic and not only is it an incredible opportunity to market to, you know, the aging population, but there are so many people that are in that aging area that still have massive amounts of skills and good that they can give.

And so I just think there’s a lot of opportunity there. So that is a lot of topics that we’re discussing. Sometimes, yeah, you might just need some investments to provide some income while you’re building and doing these other things, but it’s never anymore, it shouldn’t be an all or nothing. It should be like, hey, let’s have this kind of multi-asseted plan, where you’re able to do the things you want, feel like you’re contributing and you know, living your values.

You know, I think people really enjoy that. And it’s, they, I also hear that they just don’t hear about this very often, financial planning.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:24:51] I agree, which is why it’s so refreshing to be able to read your newsletter, Modern Family Dynasty newsletter. Because you share such interesting advice that is very relatable, particularly for people who are entrepreneurs. But as you say, I’m sure that a lot of what you share would apply to people who

may be in employment because those people might be considering starting side projects, generating income that they can then, you know, build wealth from as a side thing, but then maybe becomes their future career. As you say, in the gray economy, people are shifting in the way that they’re working and they’re not necessarily retiring at that set age that’s been dictated by government because they have these skills and they have this energy that they can still contribute.

So it sounds like there’s lots of opportunities there and you are tapping into the market in a very good way because you’re able to provide that value to those people.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:25:41] I don’t think there’s ever been a better time to start a business. I think that it’s, there are so many opportunities right now. And one thing that I think technology has done, we’ve seen a lot in Leading Expert Alliance about the use of AI and, you know, I don’t think it’s ever going to replace all of us.

But what it has done is give us, all of a sudden we have tools. That would have probably cost a lot more for us to get so people can start businesses easier. They can you know get the word out there easier. They can create a lot of really cool things and be able to create some of those extra income streams.

I don’t certainly recommend people to… like there’s nothing wrong with a good high paying job. Obviously, and it can be the springboard, and you need financial security and stability. And if you’re kind of trying to go out on your own, and you don’t have other income, it just gets pretty stressful which can make the process not fun. So I usually like people to kind of try and work on those two things at one time: like how can we transition, and and make it work together.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:26:37] Yes, that’s really good advice

As we’re coming towards the end of the show, I did want to ask if you had any other words of advice or key takeaways that you want to share with listeners based on your experience of life and work so far.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:26:48] Well, I think that financial planning and financial advising, is also in a place where it is very difficult for consumers to make the right decisions.

Because there is information overload, and every time, you know, you can look up one strategy, you’re going to find a conflicting viewpoint on that strategy. And I think that’s where it makes people, almost just to the point where they get so overwhelmed, they don’t act on it. But I think if you start with going back to identifying what you’re passionate about, and identifying what you really value.

And then you can start to have conversations about aligning that stuff together. That as a better framework to start with, than chasing rate of return, or just always looking to say “Hey, how can I get the most return on my money?” That’s important, but that doesn’t really get you to where you want to go, which is kind of this fulfilling life, where you’re living your values. And you’re able to, you know, communicate those with your with your kids, and your family, and all the relationships that you have.

So I think starting with that combination generally can help add additional clarity because then when you’re looking at a strategy and you’re going, okay, does this align with my values? Does this help me get more of what I want? And if the answer is no, then you’re like, “Okay. Well, let me keep looking.” And that process is something that I think everyone can do for sure

Mich Bondesio:

[00:28:01] That’s great advice. Thank you, Denver. So where can people find you online?

Denver Nowicz:

[00:28:07] LinkedIn is great. I’m always posting on LinkedIn. So that’s just my first and last name on LinkedIn Denver Nowicz And that’s probably the best place. I’m also, Substack is, if you want to subscribe to the newsletter, again, you can just search me on Substack and you’ll find the Modern Family Dynasty newsletter. But those are probably the two best places.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:28:25] That’s great. And we will share those links in the show notes. So thank you so much, Denver. I really appreciate you being here with us today.

Denver Nowicz:

[00:28:31] Oh, thank you as well. I really enjoyed our conversation.

Mich Bondesio:

[00:28:33] I loved this conversation with Denver, it actually changed the way I think about how I manage my money, and I hope you found it as helpful as I did.

Now, there are many discussion points I could pull from this episode, but the three that I want to talk about are: task stacking for health and productivity, using sprints in your workflow, and motivation versus mindset.

We know that fitness routines and daily exercise are crucial for body and brain health. it’s common for us to put those activities into time boxes that come before or after work. But it’s important for us to be active during our workday too. And this is where, what I call task stacking can be helpful.

I’m referring to task stacking in the context of carrying out a productivity-related task, whilst also engaging in something that supports your wellbeing.

For Denver, who’s clearly a gadget guy, he uses a vibration plate and a walking workstation for certain periods of his workday to ensure that he keeps his body moving and limber. He’s also added bite-sized exercise routines and reflection rituals that fit into his workflow. And these tools help him achieve results on many fronts at once, again, supporting wellness and work.

For me, I often take walks during my work day to help me process a work problem. Or to prepare my mind between first draft and edit stage on a writing project, as writing and editing require slightly different mind states. When I do this, I’m supporting my fitness, whilst also doing some thinking work.

Other times, I also task stack when I listen to a podcast or audio book while I’m out walking. In this instance, I use my walk as a learning opportunity for things I can then later apply in my work.

So think about ways that you can inject more movement into your workflow and what productivity and wellbeing tasks you can combine together or stack together to support yourself whilst getting more done in a frictionless way.

The second thing I wanted to cover is workflows and cadence. Denver plans has workload in sprints. And I actually do the same for my work, too. Now sprints can be two to three hours, a full day, a full week, six weeks, or something else. The important thing with sprints though, is that they don’t go on for months and months. They need to have a sustainable end point so that you don’t burn out.

By their very nature, completing a sprint requires that you are focused and disciplined around a particular task, or set of tasks, to achieve a specific outcome or goal. Then you slow down and change the pace once the sprint is done.

This expansion and contraction of effort is important for our brains to allow time for rest, recovery, and recharge. So that you then have the energy to sprint again.

The pause after a sprint doesn’t mean that you have to stop work entirely unless you have the opportunity to take time off. The point is more that the pace changes.

You slow things down and create more space. So if you can’t take a break from work in the slack period, like maybe going to see a movie or visiting an art gallery during work time, perhaps you can change the type of work that you’re doing in that slower timeframe.

And here’s another point related to sprints. Just like successful wealth creation strategies, a good sprint starts with considered, realistic planning.

So often we add too much to our daily plate, and then we feel like we’ve let ourselves down when we don’t get to everything on our to-do list. Know yourself and your limits. Know what is doable for you to complete in an hour, a day, a week or a month, given all the other things clamouring for your attention.

Remember sprints are meant to help you move forward and build momentum, but not burn you out.

Finally, I want to talk about motivation versus mindset.

Being an entrepreneur can be invigorating, exciting and rewarding. But also frustrating demoralizing and downright tough. It can often take longer than you think it will to achieve your goals. You will feel and have to deal with resistance from yourself, and others, every step of the way. And you will experience losing or failing in lots of ways along the journey to success.

I’m not really selling it. But as Denver says, “Success is all the things you did that didn’t work. Until something did, and you then kept doing those things.” And he should know, he’s been an entrepreneur for 25 years. I’m only six and a half years into my journey. And what I can tell you is that the journey requires grit, resilience, and persistence.

Whilst motivation can help you, it can also be an unreliable tool over the long run, because motivation is often influenced by external factors, which are changeable and which we have no control over. Our motivation also comes from the same place that our willpower comes from. It can wane across a day or a week or a month as our energy wanes and our cognitive load increases.

Mindset is a more powerful and effective way to help stay the course over the long haul. Reinforcing a positive mindset, which is intrinsically motivated by things like our values, will make it easier for us to take action, despite any resistance we may feel.

There are lots of ways that you can support your mindset. It’s all about building a practice around positive reinforcement. Denver spoke about how he celebrates his weekly wins. And I do something similar in my weekly bullet journal review. You can also engage in a gratitude practice, or visualization, or affirmations. And meditation is super helpful, too.

As Denver mentioned, when what we’re trying to pursue is not aligned with our values, it creates obstacles that slow us down, but not in a good way. It creates friction. But when our thoughts and actions are aligned with our values, it helps things to flow.

Our motivation can wane, but developing a robust mindset is a keystone when it comes to building strong foundations for success.

And how we build momentum is by taking action. One step at a time. So if you find yourself being paralyzed by a lack of motivation or going in circles, because things aren’t connecting well for you, it’s time to do some mental housekeeping and work on your mindset.

How can you ensure that your mind, body, and actions are aligned, in thoughts and deeds?

After all, crafting a meaningful life is about creating cadence and connection. And we are more open to these things when we’re operating at a higher, positive frequency with less friction and more flow. And when we are open. We can invite in more joy and a wealth of new opportunities.

I’ll be back soon, but a few things before you go.

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So thanks for listening. Until next time, keep moving forwards with courage, curiosity, and cadence. Bye for now.

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